It turns out I made comments on the
other blog re: whether Bush was at best a useless fool or at worst a deserter, and instead of a discussion with that blogger I have encountered the source of his information. That source is unhappy b/c I wanted to post blogger v. blogger, instead of mostly invisible comment links. Although this is a
conservative blog, usually free from wanton bursts of liberal tripe, I will grudgingly post everything this gentleman, one
Mr. Lukasiak, has to say:
Punctilious: "It is also established that the particular class of aircraft for which the
USAF/ANG trained him was decommissioned. "
Lukasiak: I suggest that you check your "established facts". The F102A continued to be
flown by the Texas Air National Guard until the fall of 1974 (and continued to
be flown by other Guard units until 1976). In fact, in 1971, the 111th FIS
(Bush's unit) was designated an "training unit" and was providing all training
for Fighter Interceptor pilots during that period...and in the six months prior
to Feb. 1973, trained 27 new F102 pilots for the Air National Guard.
Punctilious: (See my request to go blog-to-blog on the subject)
Lukasiak: A few quotes for you...
From the 147th website...
By January 1970 the wing was starting a new mission: training all F-102 pilots in the United States for the Air National Guard.
On 6 May 1971 the unit received F-101F fighter interceptors and became the training center for all Air Guard interceptors. In August 1974, after 14 years of service, the unit's F-102s were retired, but the unit maintained a full
fleet of F-101s.
https://www.txelli.ang.af.mil/147history.html
From Aerospaceweb.org
First Flight (YF-102A 8-80) 24 October 1953
(YF-102A 8-90) 19 December 1954
Service Entry April 1956
Retirement 1976 (US)
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f102/
Joe Baugher's F102 history site...
The only F-102As still in service with the USAF at the beginning of 1970 were all stationed overseas. At that time, the USAF still retained a few F-102A squadrons in Germany and the Netherlands. In the early 1970s, European-based
F-102As were replaced by F-4 Phantoms. By the end of June 1973, the number of active F-102As had been reduced to ten.
The last ADC unit to operate the F-102A, the 57th FIS based at Keflavik in Iceland finally traded in its F-102As for McDonnell F-4C Phantoms in mid-1973.
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/f102_1.html
the point here is that the 147th continued to fly the plane that Bush was qualified to fly until after the completion of Bush's Military Service Obligation, and not much longer after that. Your statement was that Bush's plane was decommissioned, which was completely false.
There is not a single piece of documentary evidence that suggests that the Air Force (and it was the Air Force's decision, not TXANG's) decided that Bush was not needed as an F102 pilot. Anecdotal evidence (including the story of Jan Peter Linke, and comments by Gen Bobby Hodges, former commander of the 147th) suggests that the 147th could have used Bush as an F102 pilot for the entire time he was supposed to serve.
And, because the elimination of the F102 from the active duty Air Force was all but completed by the early 1973, the ongoing force reduction in the Air Force that coincided with the end of the Vietnam war would not have resulted in any significant surplus of F102 pilots during the period in question.
given these facts, the claim that Bush was "allowed" to stop flying because "his plane was being phased out" and/or "there were too many pilots available" cannot be considered supportable without additional evidence.
...and, since were being punctilious, the person who responded (and is responding here) to you was not the blogger, but the person who wrote the piece on PTI 961 cited by the blogger.
Punctilious: (Posted the prior entry about how the Air Force works -- as a former Airman)
Lukasiak: rather pathetic.
I respond to your post with the information you wanted, and you do not post it. Instead, you provide a "witness" (Campenni) who is either lying through his teeth, or talking out his ass--probably both.
In fact, I can forward you the decommissioning date of EVERY F102 that was ever built. Its a rather large file, and you probably wouldn't understand what you are looking at anyway....but the fact is that I've DONE the research, and you haven't.
Ok, a few notes.
I'm sure he stuck his tongue at me (through his computer monitor, hopefully earning him at least a little static shock) as he wrote that last line. This gentleman has devoted far too great a portion of his life to his partisan work, but hey -- that's what the Internet's for. As soon as he learns how to capitalize his words and actually put information together, rather than taking each piece separately, he might be able to form cogent political thought. At this point, Mr. Lukasiak is merely taking one piece at a time -- i.e., that there were a lot of F102s, so Bush would not have been any part of a soft force reduction -- and blasting away. The truth is, the military will continue to train people as it draws down. GWB was not a trainer -- those guys are usually have to re-up before they can do so. He was a fighter pilot in a plan that was being slowly brought out of service... a fighter pilot ready to kill bad guys stuck in a unit that had been designated for training.
Another scattered fact Mr. Lukasiak whines about is the President's PTI code -- Lukasiak admits he can't figure out what exactly it means, but he thinks it looks
really bad. Since it looks bad, and appearances are everything.... BUSH LIED, KIDS DIED. Or something to that effect.
And as I predicted below, the gentleman's hackles raised up as soon as he saw the statement by a real veteran -- one who served with Lt. Bush and kept on serving for a couple more decades.
And oh yes, he admires his own intelligence so very much, no one could possibly understand the Air Force documentation he covets so dearly. A fine source,
King of Zembia. A partisan political hack who over-values his own intelligence and is reduced to name-calling when confronted with real testimony. Typical for today's Leftist.